{"id":5840,"date":"2022-02-20T15:52:25","date_gmt":"2022-02-20T12:52:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/?p=5840"},"modified":"2024-08-08T23:53:54","modified_gmt":"2024-08-08T20:53:54","slug":"vaddjad-ingerimaa-ja-ivoolidna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/?p=5840","title":{"rendered":"Va\u0111\u0111jad, Ingerimaa ja Ivoolidna."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tegu on Ingerimaaga. Mis puudutab aga Ingerimaad, siis see on selgelt soomeugri maa ning tulenevalt, et isuri ja vadja keel on eesti keelega \u00fcsna sarnased, sarnasemad kui eesti-v\u00f5ro v\u00f5i eesti-seto, siis on suhtlus ingerimaaga olnud t\u00e4iesti tavaline. Isegi &#8220;Kalevipoeg&#8221; eeposes on kirjas, et Kalevipoeg k\u00e4is kuni \u00c4\u00e4nisj\u00e4rveni v\u00e4lja, aga seal tulid m\u00e4ed ette. \u00dcks v\u00f5imalik seletus kuidas eestlased ja mansid omavahel suhtlesid, oli l\u00e4bi venedega l\u00e4bi \u00c4\u00e4nisj\u00e4rve ja sealsete j\u00f5gede j\u00f5udmine Valgesse merre ja sealt m\u00f6\u00f6da mere\u00e4\u00e4rset kallas j\u00f5uda idapoole manside juurde. See teekond v\u00e4listab vajaduse \u00fcletada Uuralid.<\/p>\n<p>\u00dcks suuremaid lahendamata m\u00f5istatusi on Tallinna, Jaanilinna ja Dublini nimede p\u00e4rinemine ja et\u00fcmoloogia, sest eestlastel pole kombeks olnud kunagi asulatele omistada m\u00f5istet linn ning Eesti ainsateks linna nime kandvateks nimetusteks ongi Jaanilinn ja Tallinn. Dublin ehk Dub Lin ehk Tume linn on asustatud Norra p\u00f5hjala meeste poolt kaks korda ning linn on v\u00e4ga sarnane p\u00f5hjala keelse m\u00f5istega lin, mis eesti keeles t\u00e4hendab linna. Jaanilinna ja Narva erisus seisnebki selles, et Narva oma nime p\u00e4ritolult ja Jaanilinn oma nime p\u00e4ritoult on erinevad asustused ning nad on tekkinud v\u00e4ga unikaalselt teineteise vastu, aga omavad t\u00e4iesti erinevat nime et\u00fcmoloogiat ja tekkimise loogikat.<\/p>\n<p>Rootslastel ehk siis ka nende eelastel, ehk Svea v\u00f5i teiste p\u00f5hjala keelt valdanud tulevastel rootslastel, on linnaks m\u00f5iste gr\u00e5d. Miks, ei tea, kuid sellest tuleneb venelaste m\u00f5iste \u0433\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0434. Kui v\u00f5tta Ny Gr\u00e5d aluseks, millest sai \u041d\u043e\u0432\u0433\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0434, siis New York ongi Ny Gr\u00e5d.<\/p>\n<p>Kas Jaanilinn v\u00f5is olla algselt Ivar Gr\u00e5d, j\u00e4\u00e4b lahtiseks, kuigi p\u00f5hjala inimeste seas oli Ivar [r\u00f5hk esimese silbi alguses] tollal levinud nimi.<\/p>\n<p>Ingerimaa on eestlaste maasillaks Soome ja Karjalaga.<\/p>\n<p>Va\u0111\u0111ja keeles on Jaanilinn Ivoolidna ehk Ivoo lidna.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_5841\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-5841\" style=\"width: 1401px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-5841\" src=\"https:\/\/valdef.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Ingerimaa-kaart-274359371_1022339348316924_4910263533955339198_n.jpg\" alt=\"Ingerimaa kaart, va\u0111\u0111jalaste s\u00fcnnimaa.\" width=\"1401\" height=\"1600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/valdef.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Ingerimaa-kaart-274359371_1022339348316924_4910263533955339198_n.jpg 1401w, https:\/\/valdef.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Ingerimaa-kaart-274359371_1022339348316924_4910263533955339198_n-1280x1462.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/valdef.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Ingerimaa-kaart-274359371_1022339348316924_4910263533955339198_n-768x877.jpg 768w, https:\/\/valdef.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Ingerimaa-kaart-274359371_1022339348316924_4910263533955339198_n-1345x1536.jpg 1345w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1401px) 100vw, 1401px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-5841\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ingerimaa kaart, va\u0111\u0111jalaste s\u00fcnnimaa.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tegu on Ingerimaaga. Mis puudutab aga Ingerimaad, siis see on selgelt soomeugri maa ning tulenevalt, et isuri ja vadja keel on eesti keelega \u00fcsna sarnased, sarnasemad kui eesti-v\u00f5ro v\u00f5i eesti-seto, siis on suhtlus ingerimaaga olnud t\u00e4iesti tavaline. Isegi &#8220;Kalevipoeg&#8221; eeposes&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":5841,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"image","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1411],"tags":[287,865,925,923,889,926,927,365,929,864,924,928],"class_list":["post-5840","post","type-post","status-publish","format-image","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-ugri","tag-eesti","tag-ingerimaa","tag-ingerland","tag-ivoolidna","tag-jaanilinn","tag-kriivichid","tag-kriivicid","tag-narva","tag-vadja-selts","tag-vaddja","tag-vaddja-keel","tag-zemgle","post_format-post-format-image"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5840","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5840"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5840\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5846,"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5840\/revisions\/5846"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/5841"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5840"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5840"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/valdef.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5840"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}